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Ekwe Not Alone! Burke and Long Wear Wrong Uniforms Too!

by Tony L. Atayde
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Coach Franz Pumaren walks onto the court in La Salle’s first game of UAAP Season 71 without an ID and the Commissioner himself slaps a technical foul on him without the game even starting.

In Ateneo’s last game against UP, 2 of their players, Vince Burke and Kirk Long, wore uniforms different from those of the rest of the team. UP did not protest the infraction but I don’t think that has any bearing on this case. But remember Ateneo did not protest the fact that Coach Pumaren was not wearing an ID either. The Commissioner Almighty took it upon himself to act as the authority since the referees did not have the power to do so because the game had not started.

Why didn’t the Commissioner Almighty step in and do the policing that he has been continuously doing since day 1 of this season? The Ekwe incident in the game against CSB is an indication of how different the NCAA and the UAAP are. Ekwe’s case will be discussed by the board. The Ateneo incident will be forgotten.

Not so fast! The least I can do is to voice out my opinion on the matter. Though the uniforms would “not have changed the outcome of the game�, neither would a coach not wearing his ID. So why is the Commissioner Almighty as meek as a lamb on the Ateneo issue?

How could the Ateneo coaching staff not have noticed that 2 of their players were not wearing the different uniforms? Where did Vince Burke get his uniform since he was not playing for Ateneo last year? How could the scorer’s table not have seen it? How could the referees have let it pass? If referees have been suspended in this UAAP season because of bad calls, then the scorers and referees should be heavily reprimanded this time for a non-call. Who is going to reprimand the Commissioner?

I am not advocating that Ateneo be stripped of that win. They won it and UP lost it. What I am driving at here is CONSISTENCY on the part of the Commissioner and his assistants!

In 2004, in a game against UP, La Salle’s OJ Cua wore a wrong uniform. The game was protested by UP even before it began and even though La Salle lost that game, the Board decided that had they won, they would have forfeited. That is the precedence.

How can people not question the Commissioner Almighty in this case? La Salle with no ID equals technical foul. Ateneo with 2 players wearing wrong uniforms equals silence. It is the prerogative of UP to protest or not. But just as the Commissioner reversed the one game suspension of UE’s Paul Lee, he can still do something to at least acknowledge that a mistake had been committed by the referees, the scorer’s table and most of all, the Commissioner himself. Admitting one’s mistake is not a sign of weakness but rather a show of strength.

Now he has opened a Pandora’s Box because if any other team commits the same infraction, the Commissioner would have lost all his moral right to reprimand the erring team.

When will all these controversies end? Teams are bashing each other because of the bad officiating. FEU rep Anton Montinola said that La Salle’s win against FEU was an empty one because of the phantom technical on Barroca. Coach Franz Pumaren retorts by saying that it is not appropriate for a Board Member to speak that way. Why not point the finger where it needs to be pointed at?

The problems are not the teams. The problem is the officiating and those who run the league. Instead of wasting time going back and forth making accusations, the UAAP should look at the bigger picture. For a group of highly respected educational institutions, isn’t the solution so obvious?

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  • rifleman  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Great Article. Application of the rules and regulations should be consistent and not selective.

    Animo La Salle!

  • iamthegam3  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:00 pm

    I agree Mr Atayde! The commish acted out on his own with the previous issues, how come he’s so silent about this one?

    Rules regarding wrong uniforms are already in the rulebook and they should be put into practice. Why did we have to wait for a protest from UP?

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Again I will say it! This article is not about Ateneo or UP. This article is about the CONSISTENCY of implementing rules. It’s okay to be very strict with the rules but do not waiver in the manner in which it is implemented. When this happens, anarchy shall be the rule.

  • DeViLmInE  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:09 pm

    i do hope narvasa should take actions.

    maybe suspend burke and long for 1 game.

  • DeViLmInE  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:10 pm

    those sponsors do really make some damage. =)

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:11 pm

    DeViLmInE,

    The suspension should include the referees, the table officials and everyone involved in this oversight.

  • nicksy  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:19 pm

    I think Ateneo’s Case is very Different compared to San Beda’s case, Vince Burke was a rookie, so the jersey seems the right one, “Nakulangan lang ata ng Patch ang Smart”. sir Atayde, do you have the pix for that OJ Cua Uniform mishap, so we could clearly analyze it, a heard that Cua wore Obviously a Different Uniform.

    Peace.

  • nicksy  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:22 pm

    but we are on the same page on bad Officiating , and the Almighty Commissioner’s Power Tripping.

  • grass is green!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:23 pm

    How do the rules define “uniform?” Will the absence of the patches render the two ADMU players not in uniform? Is there precedent wherein a player lacked a ‘patch’ in his uniform, unlike the rest of his teamates, and was declared as not in uniform? If so, then there is no consistency in the application of the rules.

  • p.atayde  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:26 pm

    aba’y kung alma mater ko ang kalaban nila cguradong with a heavy heart i will file a protest, that’s for sure since we’re part of uaap as well. rules are rules and it is not meant to be broken. otherwise there’ll be chaos and riot on and off court, aba’y hindi pu-pwede talaga yan. let’s follow the rule of law.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:28 pm

    A rule that is vague is a cause for alarm. All this is a symptom of a bigger problem. This problem is rearing its ugly head on both the UAAP and the NCAA.

    Let’s see who among both leagues addresses the problem better and faster.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Nicksy,

    In past games, Burke and Long had the patches on their uniforms.

  • nicksy  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:35 pm

    so that was a replacement(or should I say Extra) dark Jerseys, edited statement: “Nakulangan ng Smart logo patches para sa mga Extra Jerseys”,

    sir, do you have some pictures on the OJ Cua Uniform Mishap? just Asking.

    Too Much Narvasa? wait for more…

    Peace.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:37 pm

    No i dont have pics of OJ Cua’s uniform. Wala pang inboundpass noon.

  • Grrr!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:39 pm

    its the same season 2008 uniform without the patch. long is a globe subscriber so no smart logo for him. the commercial patch is not part of the ateneo uniform. it’s akin to wearing a headband or a wristband and the use or non-use thereof is tantanount to a mere personal statement.

    its different in the ekwe case. he wore the bantay bata uniform and not the one for the current season.

  • uniform policy  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:40 pm

    ano kaya meron sa uniform at bakit kelangan ibigay ang pagkapanalo ng red lions sa CSB.. may kapangyarihan kaya ang sinuot na uniform ni ekwe kaya gumaling laro nya… walang kwentang rule..

  • nicksy  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:44 pm

    yun Uniform parang “the Tuxedo” yan ni Jackie Chan.

    @sir Green Mind., thanks Anyway.

    Too much Narvasa? Wait for more…

    peace

  • Grrr!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:44 pm

    if the penalty for the violation is forfeiture, you cannot suspend the offending player for a game or two, or even give technical fouls.

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:46 pm

    “…long is a globe subscriber so no smart logo for him…”
    You gotta be joking!

  • Grrr!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:50 pm

    yes i’m joking…

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  --1
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Grrr!

    Good one! I have another joke about why there is no Smart logo on the jersey, but it’s not flattering so I won’t tell. :))

  • Grrr!  Add karma Subtract karma  --1
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 2:55 pm

    i get the joke… i only hope the dark knight does not return to fix us jokers…

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Once again! It is not the uniform that is the bigger issue here. It is the consistent implementation of a rule that the UAAP Board has adopted and approved. If the rule is not to be followed then take it out of the rule book. It’s that simple!

  • 17  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 4:07 pm

    I am from an NCAA school but i do believe that the referees in the UAAP are inconsistent.. is there a chance that be replaced even though the season started? if yes, why not replace them now.. it will help to increase the already blazing action in the UAAP. on the other hand, i think San Beda will have to forfeit the game against CSB, though I’m not losing hope, i smell the result and it doesn’t smell too good for us Bedans..

    ANIMO SAN BEDA!!

  • dongivadamnation  Add karma Subtract karma  +1
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Mr. Tony Atayde. I understand that this is your website, or at least your one of the main contributors, but frankly i am getting tired of all your pro-la salle anti-ateneo, or “anti-anyone who dares to stand in la sale’s ways” rants. This website has become your private screeching ground. It’s just a small patch on a uniform for crying out loud. Even sam ekwe’s case doesn’t leave much to bicker about. come on now. why not talk about the ref who was indefinitely suspended for making phantom foul calls that swung the game to your beloved school? isn’t that a more dire case?

    we lost that game. but you don’t see us protesting left and right. Our team manager aired his sentiments but he kept his mouth shut and nodded in agreement once the board had reached their decision.

    even the whole id thing. why even put mr bigote’s pix on the front page? ateneo was also given undue technicals in that game, mind you.

    I use to frequent this site for its cool game reviews and colorful commentaries, but this is just another fan-boy site.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 4:26 pm

    dongivadamnation,

    You have a right to your opinion. However, this year I have been advocating better officiating and more consistent management of the league.

    This year. none of my articles have been anti any school but rather pro collegiate basketball.

    Take a look at the other articles on this site. My colleague Chris Soler who is from Ateneo wrote his article called “Idiocy 101″.

    I have even said in my previous article that there have been fouls called against La Salle were dubious calls, such as the game against FEU.

    In this article, I made it clear that I am not advocating the forfeiture of the game nor for UP to protest. The advocacy is simply CONSISTENCY!

  • tong tong  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Di nga kase wrong uniform yang 2 cases na yan- sponsors’ logo lang ang kaibahan.

    Pinapalaki lang ng mga taong may ibang plano!

    Simple lang di ba?

    Bakit kasi di pa aminin na may malisya lang talaga ang mga protesta na yan!

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 4:34 pm

    dongivadamnation,

    Read Mr Atayde’s article and his posts CAREFULLY. This is about the inconsistent implementation of the rules and nothing else. The Ekwe and the bad officiating issues you mentioned are just Mr. Atayde’s references to prove his point. He is not bickering about those.

    Hey, know what? You are wrong: his concern is not pro-La Salle, his is pro-UAAP, FEU included. Since you are so bitter about your loss because of poor officiating then you should be the first to support his cause. Unless, of course, you’re more comfortable whining.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 4:35 pm

    dongivadamnation,

    One more thing, every school has already been a victim of the horrendous officiating. This season’s competition in the UAAP is one of the best in a long time. It’s not fair to the fans that the present state its in is destroying the essence of the game/

  • Grrr!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 4:46 pm

    LDC and dongivadamnation,

    green, mind is apro lasalle. no doubt about that. but he is also fair and intelligent with regards to his comments on other teams. i tried to rile him up with my comments in the past, but ever the gentleman, hindi ako pinatulan. i respect the guy for he does not hide behind a pseudonym.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Grrr,

    Thank you. I am humbled by your comment.

  • Grrr!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 4:49 pm

    its pro la salle not apro lasalle. nadulas my fingers…

  • OBF!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Narvasa has caused paranoia over the most insignificant things!! Coach I.D.s… Sponsor Patches, Sitting on the floor… ano ba yan! Basketball na lang dapat ang atupagin!!

    InBoundPass, dont let yourseld fall victim to wasting your time worrying about Narvasa’s fettishes one at a time. I suggest starting a petition to teach Narvasa a lesson. Even if he’s an Atenean, he has crossed the line too many times at the expense of too many people. Harsh kung harsh but I really think he is bastardizing the UAAP Games and how hard the athletes work for their games.

    Lets keep the games about the games and not about the commissioner.

  • nicksy  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 4:53 pm

    @OBF!

    I agree with you, UAAP is not about Narvasa, it is about the games, like wise in the NCAA, it should not be played on the boardroom, but played in the Hardcourt.

    peace.

  • rhk111  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 4:58 pm

    If we want all teams to strictly enforce the uniform rule, then fine. However, such a minor incident I feel do NOT require punishments as heavy as forfeiture or suspension. That’s crazy.

    The rule is new, allow some breathing room. There is such a thing as first offense. If the team did it once, then reprimand and start counting. They do it twice after the reprimand, then that’s the time to do something more serious.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 5:00 pm

    OBF,

    You are absolutely right and that is why we here are finding ways to get the message out. It is not just the teams but also the fans that are being shortchanged.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 5:02 pm

    rhk111,

    Your point is well taken. But until they change the rules, then they should at least not enforce it selectively.

    By the way the uniform rule has been in effect in both the NCAA and the UAAP for many years now.

  • rhk111  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 5:15 pm

    ‘Parang feeling ko nag pa Power Trip lang itong si Narvasa. Yan mahirap minsan pag naglagay ka ng Abogado dyan as officials. Parang diktador ang nangyayari, as in “ang sabi ng Hari, di nababali”.

    A little more leeway, I think is what’s needed. Reprimand, then penalty if the people turn out to be hard headed.

  • Fabilioh!  Add karma Subtract karma  +1
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 5:24 pm

    Excellent article. I totally agree that consistency with both the officiating as well as with the implementation of the rules is the main cause of concern. Consistency allows players and coaches to adjust to the game and the league’s rules. These controversial calls are trashing the quality of collegiate basketball! It’s distracting the players, coaches and fans from enjoying the game. Narvasa couldn’t hack it as a coach in the PBA, so now he’s trying to bully his way in the collegiate ranks. Sheesh! Shameful..

  • ric  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Akala ko si Ekwe lang?!

    Si Long at si Burke din kasali sa uniform issue and I think this year might be the year na may pinaka maraming issues in collegiate basketball including the ID, referees, uniform and a lot to come in the coming days or games.

  • LAWRENZCHAUNCY  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 7:13 pm

    PALITAN NALANG SI NARVASA DI FAIR BADTRIP

  • anak ng photo  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 7:25 pm

    inboundpass, pki-interview nman si chito narvasa at pki-tnung xa 2ngkol sa mga inconsistent calls na yan..

  • anak ng photo  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 7:37 pm

    dpat kasi may UAAP official na nagchecheck sa mga players sa dug out nila bago sila lumabas sa court yung mga mali uniform wag na hayaang makalaro..

    I support Mr. Green Mind’s call for consistency in the officiating of UAAP, what a better season this would have been without all those controversies..but just like what Eric Bischoff says:”controversy creates cash” heheheheh, i am not anymore a WWE fan FYI..

    Go Ateneo! One Big Fight!

  • red01  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Ang labo, Ateneo and San Beda lang ba nakitaan nyo ng issue sa uniform? Kung bibigyan ng penalty ang San Beda, make it fair to all teams! Review the previous games, even games of previous seasons! Obvious naman masyado kung bakit San Beda lang ang napansin ng ganyang pagkakamali.
    Again, BE FAIR!

  • red01  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Eto talagang si Sam kahit kailan hindi naubusan ng issue! lol!
    Pati ibang benildean saka Bedista tuloy nag-tatalo dahil LANG sa uniform!

  • D_Red_Eyed_Reindeer  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Everybody is here!!! Mr. Atayde, if this kind of controversy and the way its generating all this attention from everybody, can be converted to more gate reciepts and TV airing time, there is no way UAAP or NCAA management would change the rules… no matter how ridiculous or stupid it is.

    Its a lost-cause everyone. So, let’s all stop this na and lets move on. I’ve said a lot already about the Ekwe issue. Masakit na sa tenga. Nobody wants to give in anyway kasi everybody believes everybody else is wrong! What’s the use.

  • D_Red_Eyed_Reindeer  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 9:01 pm

    @the_green_mind

    Those rules might not be new anymore but I think it is only but recently that a lot of infractions are committed against it. Why? With all the attention this two major collegiate leagues are getting, isang katutak na sponsors na ang gustong magpalagay ng kani-kanilang logos sa mga uniforms ng players.

    So, how can the league control this? Not all players will have the same sponsors and same logos all the time? Look at Long and Burke and Ekwe for that matter. I included Ekwe kasi if you remove that logo, nobody can tell that it was used last year!

    In this scenario, this rule is bound to create more havoc and confusion in the future! Therefore, it is but only logical to amend, at least, this rule.

    Rules are meant so that a semblance of civility and control are maintained. If that rule has lost its purpose, and instead created chaos and instability, there is no point in implementing it anymore.

  • Christian Soler  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Tony, let me reiterrate the importance of drawing the lines between what constitutes a “different� or “wrong� uniform, and what’s overreacting.

    This is my humble opinion:

    The Ekwe case shows us that indeed, the two jerseys came from different seasons, whereas the Long and Burke cases involve jerseys coming from the same year. The misplaced “Talk N Text� patch isn’t what made Ekwe’s jersey different from this year’s, so the issue with the “Smart� patch shouldn’t even be a big deal.

    It’s not so much my bias towards Ateneo, I don’t think it’s even obvious that I am one. However, it’s important to stress what will make a jersey wrong, especially if NCAA or even FIBA rulebooks are unclear about them.

    Nice one pare.

  • Green_Archer_Ryu  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 10:23 pm

    @D_Red_Eyed_Reindeer

    You do make a valid point about certain rules being detrimental to the game or the league, thus making it “better” if they were no longer implemented.

    However, I think that the issue at hand is NOT whether to implement a rule or not nor is it whether a rule is beneficial or creates more problems. At this point whatever direction the league or the commissioner almighty chooses, there should be CONSISTENCY!!!

    I echo Mr. Atayde’s call for CONSISTENCY in both leagues. We have good competitive leagues in both the NCAA and the UAAP. So no matter which universities or colleges we come from, let us not allow these inconsistencies that are now very rampant in both leagues to destroy what each of our schools have worked so hard to build.

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 10:33 pm

    Christian Soler,

    According to Rick Olivarez’ blog Kirk Long and Vince Burke wore the uniform assigned to them for the summer league instead of one of the four issued for the UAAP. If his claim is true then Long and Burke were not wearing the official UAAP uniform. I don’t know whether this constitutes an infraction or not, though, as I am not familiar with the UAAP rules.

    You can check out his blog entitled “The Truth About the Jersey or Dodging A Bullet” at http://bleachersbrew.blogspot.com/

  • Pale Rider  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 11:23 pm

    In spite of my being blueblooded, I think the people who are crying out for equality have a solid point. They’re right. Ateneo has to be punished for this just like La Salle was punished for the ID incident. The negligence in this case was nothing short of inexcusable.

    Ergo, I am officially supporting a move to give UP two technical free throws, the conversions of which would be automatically added to the final score.

    No really, I insist.

  • archerincali818/pinggoy18  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 11:46 pm

    I guess the UAAP’s new commish is getting a lot of publicity this season, and we are only on the first round, anywys, so there is only one thing to do here and that is follow the rules…not because we lost the game but simply we have to follow the rules, just like the s#upd ID incident;
    Mr. Atayde, I also want to repost this, it is my comment from ur other column regarding Montinola’s comment sa Lasalle vs. Feu game.

    archerincali818/pinggoy18 +0
    Saturday, 19 July 2008 at 6:21 am

    this is from inquirer.net(regarding Tabanag’s officiating in LASALLE vs FEU game)
    The FEU community has been victimized by this brazen act to manipulate the outcome of the game,� said Montinola.

    “Pardon the expression, but definitely we were screwed. I’m glad the commissioner had the [courage] to act accordingly. There is no room in the UAAP for behavior of this sort. We should leave it to the conscience of La Salle. I think their win has an asterisk attached to it.�

    it is already 2010 and mainit parin ang dugo ni Montinola of FEU sa Lasalle hmmm, im still freshman back in 96 and he is like this alrdy especially the LASALLE FEU short stint rivalry,…now they are claiming that they were deprived of a fair chance of winning the game,and nangonsenysa pa, tho it was really bad officiating i think UAAP board has taken its action alrdy, hmmmm i just found out from UBELT.com that
    Tabañag is actually an FEU alumnus…maybe him and mr. Montinola can talk about this on their reunion..

  • Gooner4Life  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 12:51 am

    @ Pale_Rider

    ONLY TWO FREETHROWS FOR NOT WEARING THE PROPER UNIFORM?
    Erm, didn’t Mr. Atayde provide us with a quotation above about DLSU’s game being forfeited had they won the because of the same violation(improper uniform) they committed?

    And if i’m not mistaken, NCAA’s using their RULEBOOK (oo, pinatatamaan ko si “Commissioner” Narvasa) as the basis for the case of SBC’s recent “Bantay Bata Jersey” violation of Ekwe.

    Well, unless Narvasa’s working as a ONE MAN UAAP BOARD, i think there’s no need for this RULEBOOK because he himself is THE WALKING RULEBOOK as far as i’ve observed over the last contoversial games; otherwise, i think they’ll have to wipe off the dust of their rotting rulebook and start using it THE WAY ITS SUPPOSED TO BE USED!

    Hey “COMMISIONER”, wake up and smell the coffee you dimwit!

  • Christian Soler  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 1:23 am

    @LDC: Thanks for the info. I read his blog entry.

    What I found strange, though, is that Burke was not in the Filoil/Flying V lineup. The 15th man was Jason Escueta, who donned jersey # 42, while Jobe Nkemakolam was also not in the lineup.

    I recognize the jersey very well, it was worn in the Ateneo-DLSU elimination round game of the said tournament. Indeed, the “Smart� patches weren’t there. However, Burke was not part of that team.

    Burke was part of the Nike Summer League squad, which sported practice jerseys with no stripes on the sides. So frankly, I don’t know where that line of thought came from.

  • goner  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 6:03 am

    Grrr! said, “…I respect the guy for he does not hide behind a pseudonym…”

    @Grrr!, is this your real name? You’re not hiding behind a pseudonym?

    Just joking.

  • marck aguilar  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 6:29 am

    tsk! Even in UAAP? Sus naman. If the infraction is committed then UP had the right to protest the game! Almost 1/3 na ng season ang tapos na and the expectations of hosting the UAAP & NCAA Games are still controversial in nature… Mas maraming nakakapuna ng mga issues na ito.

    Thanks Mr. Atayde for this info…

  • tm8  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 7:56 am

    If missing sponsor patches would already constitute as wearing the wrong uniform, does this mean that putting the numbers of injured players on masking tape on a player’s shirt merit the same violation?

    i know that i’m exaggerating but c’mon. where do we draw the line here?

  • BedanRoar  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 7:58 am

    Protest in poor taste
    SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson
    Wednesday, July 23, 2008 Philstar

    Good insight coming from a La Salle alumus.

  • whamos  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 8:21 am

    From what I know, teams from the UAAP don’t let their players bring home their official jerseys. Team assistants collect them and washed in batches. The players see again their official jerseys only before the game. So how come Burke did not wear his official uniform during the UP game? Did some ’stalker’ stole his uniform?? Haha!

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 8:23 am

    Cnristian,

    Again let me reiterate that the problem with the uniform is just a symptom of the mess both leagues are in when it comes to the issue of the uniform.

    Why have a rule that can interpreted in countless ways. It just does not make sense. It is about time that both leagues review and rewrite their rule books.

  • by_the_book  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 8:39 am

    @nicksy, the rule on uniforms does not distinguish whether a player is a rookie or not. it applies to all players.

    kung minsan mga ganitong viewpoints only lead to more confusion rather than zeroing in on the issue at hand.

  • by_the_book  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 8:43 am

    also, the rule also does not differentiate whether the players bring home their jerseys or not, whether they wash it or not, dry-cleaned or not, take a bath with it or not, whether it was stolen or not, etc.

    the rule only mentions that fielded players should be wearing the same uniform for each game. if a player lost his uniform, sorry na lang. he can’t play. magpagawa na lang agad ulit.

  • sumbong sumbong kay bongang bongang bongbong  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 9:37 am

    isumbong nyon ang lahat dito lamang sa akin sa “sumbong sumbong kay bongang bongang bong bong”, diretso pa ang action… at ako mismo, ako mismo at wala ng iba pa ang a-action…

  • Cholo  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 9:51 am

    Sir Atayde,

    Thanks for your consistent “pagpupulis” on matters such as this. Ituloy mo lang.

    Consistency lang talaga ang usapan. CONSISTENCY.

  • wawawiwa  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 10:55 am

    i think this case is very different from ekwe’s. burke and long were wearing the correct 2008 uniform without a smart patch.

    if anyone should complain about this, it should be SMART. they paid for that ad placement and it was not given to them by long and burke. ekwe wore last year’s jersey. long and burke just didn’t have a patch.

    some players wear undershirts, don’t we have a rule for this? the rest of the teams is not wearing undershirts. baka naman pwedeng icomplain din yun.

  • lol  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 10:57 am

    mas consistent pa ang mga players ngayon kesa sa mga ruling bodies ng leagues nila.

    shameful.

  • old soul  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 11:32 am

    Mr. Atayde,

    Why do the uniforms of Kirk Long and Vince Burke have UAAP logos when they were supposedly used for the summer leagues? Were both players in question even part of the summer leagues? Maybe you (or anybody else here) can enlighten me. Thank you and keep up the good work!

  • mike  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 11:51 am

    Why am I not surprised that Mr. Atayde would be writing about the Ateneo jersey “controversy”….Even when spun around a call for consistency of application, it doesn’t pass muster.
    Think about it…punishment has to fit the crime. In this case, the rules are there to promote order. You can’t have members of the same team wearing different colors because it would be confusing to the opposing team. In the particular case, did the lack of patches create any confusion AT ALL for the opposing team? Did the lack of patches for Long and Burke make anyone on the UP team think that Long and Burke were not playing for Ateneo. Answer that truthfully.
    Even in the case of Ekwe, did his Bantay Bata jersey cause Benilde players to think that he was a teammate of theirs and cause them to mistakenly pass him the ball?
    Hat’s off to UP for being level-headed enough to intuitively know this was not an issue worth pursuing and would only cast them as sour-graping.
    Atayde wrote (I believe in another article) that he is not advocating the San Beda win to be deducted from SBC because SBC was clearly the better team and it won fair and square on the court. But that’s easy to say when you know an official protest cannot have that outcome.

  • guest  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 12:05 pm

    hala, nagsasapakan na ata sa langit sina St. Benilde at San Beda

  • nicksy  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 12:17 pm

    anu ba definition ng Proper Uniform sa UAAP?
    , dapat kasi yun aticle na lang nakatuon sa inconsistency ng officials, pero tama na rin yun at hindi ng protest ang Up, bakamas lalong sumama/pumanget ang situation.

    peace.

  • D_Red_Eyed_Reindeer  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 12:39 pm

    @The Green Mind:

    Would you tell us then, if there are any procedures followed when a rule needs to be amended? Will a signature campaign do? Or is it still the Commissioner’s call?

    Maybe somebody could start the initiative.

  • Drew  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 12:47 pm

    @Wawawawa
    Sir, Ang Official pong uniporme ay dapat kaparehas lahat ng uniporme ng player.

    kung sinasabi ninyong official yung iniporme niya, eh bakit walang smart patch? db hindi opisyal un. dahil wala siya smart patch.bakit? dahil hindi siya thesame as the others jersey.

  • D_Red_Eyed_Reindeer  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 12:52 pm

    The points that needs to be added to the rule could be:

    A.) The Penalty for the Infraction. Is forfeiture really that necessary? Even a hard foul where somebody might lose a tooth, or broken bone, or a life-threatening, career-ending injury will most probably be penalize only with a deliberate foul! See the absurdity of this rule?

    B.) Definition of OFFICIAL SCHOOL UNIFORM
    C.) The rule must consider instances where the game is very crucial i.e. Championship game.
    D.) Control of sponsor patches (maybe?)

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 12:57 pm

    To all those who commented on this article:

    Thank you so much for all you great comments. I can see that we all have one goal and that is to improve the quality of collegiate basketball.

    May we not waiver in our efforts to get our voices heard. The fans deserve better!!!

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Mike,

    How can you judge my intentions. It is very clear as to what this article is all about. I repeatedly said that Ateneo’s win should not be forfeited. I have stated that his is not about Ateneo or UP. Open your eyes to the facts. So many who have commented here have seen the point that I am making.

    No man is more blind that the ones who refuse to see!

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 1:04 pm

    D_Red_Eyed_Reindeer,

    The UAAP Board is so secretive about their undertakings. Wouldn’t it be great if both the UAAP and the NCAA post their rules on the net. I dont even think the 2 leagues have an official website.

  • nicksy  Add karma Subtract karma  --1
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 1:21 pm

    sir green mind,

    NCAA has a Website, but it is not that updated.

    try to look around. http://www.ncaa.org.ph

    peace

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Nicksy,

    Its a website that tells nothing. They should post the rules there.

  • Fabilioh!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Yeah i wish UAAP could have a website of its own. It’s kinda funny that with the bazilion revenues that the league generates from all the advertisements, they cannot/would not maintain a website that would contain vital information (such as specific and clear-cut guidelines with the uniform) concerning the league and all the people involved in it. The rules and regulations should be made public for everyone to know and understand. Something smells fishy with the way this information is withheld… It makes it easier for “some authorities” to bend the rules during certain situations…

  • lj2  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Kahit atenista ako, I agree with Mr. Atayde that the officiating in the UAAP is so inconsistent and horrible, and the commissioner is the most damaging commissioner in the league’s history.

    Kailangan palitan na si Narvasa and NABRO, kahit barangay league referees mas magaling pa ata sa kanila e….

  • Reds  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 4:18 pm

    hahaha… another cheap shot by greenies…

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 4:58 pm

    The Green Mind,

    Re posting the UAAP Rulebook on the net:

    Let’s not wait for the UAAP Board. On our own, let’s post the rules on a designated website under strict control. I don’t care if the UAAP doesn’t sanction it. As long as we transcribe it correctly and maintain control over the content we can vouch for its integrity.

    I can be a volunteer for this effort.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 5:16 pm

    LDC,

    I tried getting a copy but it has been futile. I will continue to try through other sources. I am also trying to get the NCAA’s rule book.

  • wawawiwa  Add karma Subtract karma  --1
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 5:45 pm

    hay buhay. bakit ba kasi ang laking bagay nung patch? it’s just that, a patch. if the missing patch gave ateneo a distinct advantage over UP, then by all means, give the victory to UP. kung sanang nagwhite na jersey si long at burke at napasahan siya ng bola ng isang taga UP sa pagaakalang kakampi niya ito, sige, ibigay ang laro sa UP.

    uniforms are worn to distinguish one team from another. basketball isn’t about jerseys. it’s about the game. mas mataas ng one inch yung patch ni buenafe kay long, di na ba parehas na uniform yun? yung may mali sa print nung smart logo sa jersey ni burke, di na ba parehas yun?

    i agree with the sentiment calling for consistency in the uaap, kailangan talaga natin yun mga tol. pinakita na yun nung id issue. thing is, kung hindi nangyari yung kay ekwe, may papansin ba satin kung walang smart patch yung kila long at burke? wala.

  • spoof  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 5:46 pm

    @Fabilioh!

    I think one of the reasons why there is no UAAP Website is because there is no fixed central body doing the maintenance (puro heads lang (i.e. the board). Every year the hosts change. The closest we could get are the sites put up by the major sponsors - but again that is dependent kung sponsor pa sila or hindi.

  • Charlie  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 6:00 pm

    A few years back, circa 2004-2005, there was a UAAP website — uaapgames.com — which was the official website of the league. In fact, some of us here at inboundpass started out writing for that website. Because of poor maintenance and I guess poor management, it was shut down if I’m not mistaken in late 2005 or early 2006 (Kim and Mike, am I right?). Even then, though, there was a lack of information on the site and definitely, the rulebook was not available for viewing or download.

  • Grrr!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 10:51 pm

    now that ncaa has decided its unifrom case, let’s see what the uaap will do with its brand of the uniform controversy…

  • VicOngasis  Add karma Subtract karma  --1
    Thursday, 24 July 2008 at 2:54 am

    Kung non-issue ang uniforms, eh di sana wala sa rules.
    So, bakit nasa rules? To bring order to the league.
    At kung nasa rules, dapat implement.
    At kung maimplement, dapat consistent.
    Kapag me violation, dapat may punishment.

  • ekwelizer  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Thursday, 24 July 2008 at 3:34 am

    Talagang magkaribal nga ang Ateneo at San Beda…
    Pati sa kapalpakan magkaribal…
    hahaha

  • duty_bound  Add karma Subtract karma  --1
    Thursday, 24 July 2008 at 3:58 am

    @wawawiwa, you are out of scope. it’s the uniform that is being questioned. not the patch alone. you’re trying to make it just a small issue by focusing on the patch.

    the fact is, missing that patch or having a different patch from the rest of the others’ uniforms makes it already different for the rest of ekwe’s uniform.

    if they rule that it is the same uniform except for a patch, then who knows what kind of reasoning they will come up with later.

  • RAWR  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Thursday, 24 July 2008 at 9:36 am

    The rule may be silly, but it is still something that HAS to be followed. The penalty might be a bit severe and should be changed, but I really do think it should be followed for the rest of the season. It would be unfair to change it in the middle of the season.

    Changes should be made, but after the season. Rules, have to be followed. Medyo di lang ata sanay yung mga Pilipino sa pagsunod sa mga batas (I really do hope I’m falsely generalizing).

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