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NU No Match for Archers! More on Ekwe!

by Tony L. Atayde
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From a slow and and shaky start, La Salle stepped on the gas and completely dominated a National University squad that was confused and in disarray. The Bulldogs looked more like chihuahuas who wanted to play chess rather than basketball.

I have always liked NU, especially after they beat Ateneo in Season 70 in a game that totally derailed Ateneo’s drive for the championship. But in this game, I don’t know if NU will ever show their potential in Season 71.

NU started out strong and took a 21 – 12 lead early. But Peejay Barua went on a rampage and almost scored at will. He hit 17 points in the first half, including 5 treys. By the time the first half ended, La Salle had erased the early 9 point deficit and replaced it with a 10 point lead at halftime. The Green Archers erected a lead as big as 30 points and Coach Franz took advantage of this by fielding all his rookies which gave the fans a peek at this year’s team at work.

Rico Maierhofer also pushed his MVP title bid further with an all around game scoring 16 points, including 2 treys. 13 rebounds and mixed in his share of blocks and steals.

Coach Franz attributed the slow start to the difficult schedule that La Salle had this week. Aside from that hard fought win against UST last Thursday, it is also mid-tem exam week at DLSU.

Barua was just amazing as he made 75% of his attempts from the field. He has always been a dependable shooter that Coach Franz has continuously tapped to provide instant offense for the Green Archers. His time in the spotlight has come and so far he has come through.

What I liked in this game was the play of former National University juniors’ player MJ Mendoza. Watch out for this kid. He was a member of last year’s Mythical Five in the junior’s division (along with Joshua Webb) and he has the bulk and the height that will help this DLSU team. At one point in the game, Mendoza scored 6 straight points. His style is undoubtedly a perfect fit to the Pumaren system.
I was also very impressed with the highly emotional play of Joshua Webb. I am now officially a Joshua Webb fan!

This kid has got it all and will shine in no time. His intensity level did not diminish even if La Salle had already built an insurmountable lead. At one point, he did not back down from NU veteran Edwin Asoro and even the burly Aguilar.

I was with Macmac Cardona at my grandson’s baptism yesterday and he was telling me how he sees so much of himself in Webb. Cardona further said that the intensity level of Webb is what the team needs, especially because it is very contagious.

I was also very happy to see Marko Batricevic play and even score during the game. After languishing with an injury last year that saw him play only 2 minutes the entire season, I hope that Marko can now be the player that many hoped he could be.

With the team starting to slowly solidify after a pre-season plagued by injuries, the Green Archers are slowly but surely getting better. For one thing, their end game has improved tremendously from last year where they would collapse in the final minutes of the game. Their foul shooting is slowly getting better too.
Though they may not have as many “big names� as the other team, La Salle’s defense is its star component. As they say, “offense wins games, defense wins championships�.

The officiating has not improved one iota. It still sucks big time and it will suck even bigger as the season goes on. At one point during the DLSU game, Asoro drives to the basket and flagrantly elbows Webb in the mouth. But as expected it was Webb who was called for the foul. Even the TV commentators could not believe the call.

Bloodied and angry, Webb walks to the bench and a very concerned Coach Franz walks towards him to check on his player. Lo and behold Coach Franz gets a warning for walking into the court.
The National Amateur Blind Referees Organization (NABRO) needs to be replaced, but it’s too late to do so for Season 71. Let’s just hope that the Commissioner Almighty keeps suspending the referees until there are none of them left.

The Ekwe Issue:

This writer broke the Ekwe story about the wrong uniform issue during the San Beda – CSB game. The protest will be reluctantly filed on Monday or Tuesday and it will be up to the NCAA Mancom to decide.
This issue has many precedents. In lawn tennis, table tennis, track and field and even chess, teams have been slapped with forfeiture for committing this infraction. I believe that it is too hefty a penalty for the infraction but that is what the NCAA Mancom has laid down in its rules. Why punish the entire team when one player messes up?

However, at this point, it is not a judgment call.

The NCAA rules clearly state:

Rule #6
Playing Uniform and School ID

6.1 All athletes shall wear the OFFICIAL PLAYING TEAM UNIFORM in all the games/matches of the current NCAA Season.
6.5 Any athlete whose playing uniform does not conform to the
preceding rules shall be INELIGIBLE to participate in a given game/match.
9.2 A team shall lose the game by FORFEITURE if and when:
9.2.1 An INELIGIBLE athlete is fielded or enters the playing court with an intent to play. He and his team shall lose the game/match BY FORFEITURE.

This is a microcosm of our country. The problem is not that there are no laws, it is the implementation that is subject to scrutiny. Jaywalking may not be a major offense but everyone knows it is still against the law. Yet most people pay no attention to it. That is how much we as country respect rules.

Now, you hear so many reasons on why San Beda should not forfeit the game. There is no reason in the world that can justify breaking a rule that all member schools ratified. The message that is being sent is simply wrong.

If it is possible, I believe that CSB should not be given the win but I would also take away the victory from San Beda. This way the beneficiary will be the rule of law.

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  • ric  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Obvious naman na San Beda won by the numbers pero siyempre laging nasusunod ang rules :-(

    So para sakin San Beda loses by the rules. There for forfeited na ang game and as a Bedan tatanggapin ko yung decision ng MANCOM about that and I’ll just have to face the fact that I wont be able to witness a San Beda-Letran game na pareho silang undefeated depending dun sa magiging record nilang dalawa.

  • John I  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Hello Mr. Green Mind,

    I also like the quality and caliber the DLSU rookies showed in their game vs. NU. They will certainly help La Salle sustain a “championship” run in the years to come.

    Just wondering what happened to a certain rookie player named Noble who was in the roster during the Flying V Pre-Season Tournament.

    John I

  • chellotte8  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 1:12 am

    Ano ba ang pinagkaiba ng uniform na sinuot ni Ekwe, sa uniform na ginamit ng ibang players?

    Db, yung position lang ng logo…

    Ang OA naman kung forfeited na agad yung game dahil lang dun…

    I think yung rule na yun, ginawa para maging uniform tignan ang mga players habang naglalaro…

    So, kung pareho lang ang itsura ng uniform na sinuot ni Ekwe sa isuot ng mga teammates nya…

    Anong problema?

  • pakito  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 1:44 am

    @John I

    Noble is playing for UE. He was part of the CSJL high school team. i think mythical team siya last season sa NCAA juniors

  • prince  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 2:08 am

    it’s sad to see nu struggle for decades in the uaap, but how can an institution like nu compete with giants like the other schools who have vast financial and other resources?

  • 1point  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 5:54 am

    to fans and supporters of san beda: no matter which way the mancomm decision on the ekwe case goes, it won’t be held against san beda. san beda has just to abide with the decision. it was their mistake, not just ekwe’s. someone should have pointed it out to ekwe if ekwe himself failed to notice it.

    as to the mancomm, they should abide by the rules they have set. otherwise, this will be a very costly precedent and they will also be sending the wrong lessons to our youth.

    it was very clearly stated in the rules about such violations. even if the difference is just one plain logo patch, that is already a different uniform. kaya nga tinatawag na uniform, para UNIFORM sa lahat. walang iba.

    i don’t think CSB is dying for that “win by forfeiture” that’s why they seem to be inhibiting themselves from the issue, which is good.

    but then, the rules should be enforced to the letter and with consistency and that is the mancomm’s job.

  • 1point  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 5:56 am

    @prince, henry sy now owns NU and probably he has plans for NU. i just don’t know whether he is a basketball fan and whether he’ll put in some money to NU’s basketball program.

  • atom  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 6:04 am

    it is just the position of the logo- no more spin offs please…

    this protest from CSB is CHEAP!

  • MajorDude  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 8:24 am

    @1point, you’re right there, however there will be no problem if mancom would really implement the rules with “consistency”. im sure san beda is willing to accept that. and im sure the school is now reviewing the complete provisions on all the ncaa rules if indeed rule implementation is consistent as you’ve pointed out and not only directed towards san beda (a sentiment shared by the whole bedan community because of past events which could have been avoided if mancom had shown objectivity in their decisions). in the uaap front, consistency is also the issue being raised by coach franz. the only difference is that san beda would really fight mancom if it is to defend its position. i feel la salle is still being diplomatic (and their actions are being weighed carefully by the alumni and officials to avoid an ugly confrontation with the board).

    animo!

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 8:55 am

    NU had a population of only about 3,000. But Basketball programs are not about revruiting within the school. High school players do not look at NU as one of their first choices because it is not a contender. Even its gym is in awful condition.

    Look at the Boston Celtics. Before they won the championship this year, players did not look at the them as a possible destination. But now, players are falling in line to try and join the team.

    Now that Henry Sy has bought the school, expect it to be better funded.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 8:57 am

    As for the Ekwe issue, I strongly believe that San Beda’s win should be forfeited but not awarded to Benilde. This way you lay down the consequence to the team that committed it but do not give it as a reward to the other team.

  • spectator of some sort  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 9:12 am

    oh wow..henry sy..that’s why rico perez is at the bench in their game against dlsu..well, i believe in mr.atayde’s foresight..better funding means better programs for the future.

  • Letranista  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 9:38 am

    There are two things a team or player should consider in playing the sport.. One is play hard and smart every second in the game… Two is play by the RULES (no matter how silly it is). If Sam Ekwe is proven INELIGIBLE to play that game against CSB, then the RULE should be applied with consistency. this is a good lesson for the NCAA school members, if we want this league to continue moving forward. After this issue, we should all move on because there is an exciting Round 2 of Eliminations, Final 4 and Finals ahead of us.

  • Drew  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 10:15 am

    Bakit, nung nagstart ng game hindi ba napansin ng Ref yung uniform? at bakit nung last game lang napansin? dahil?

  • Grrr!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 10:26 am

    The rules are clear. The mancom should take notice of the situation REGARDLESS of whether or not a complaint is filed. Parang kung may pinatay na tao at walang nagrekalmo, pababayaan na lang pa yun ng autoridad? I heard that this is not the only game Ekwe wore the wrong uniform. Dapat imbestigahan yan.

  • mancom lover  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 11:30 am

    diba nasa rules din ang bawal nakatack-out ang jersey? bakit yun hindi pinapansin? puro san beda nlng kasi laging pinapansin eh.

  • jc laurito  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 11:32 am

    hmm.. expected na dapat natin yan.. tayo ang pagiinitan at hahanapan talaga tayo ng mali every game. champions tayo eh. besides, that’s the ONLY way na makakakuha sila ng WIN against SAN BEDA, other than that, TAMBAKAN na..

    pax!

  • Christian  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 11:42 am

    @The Green Mind, assuming SBC forfeits the game, which I believe they should, AND not award the win to CSB, what will happen to that particular game?

  • The_Big_Cat  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 11:48 am

    A throwback uniform is also an offical uniform.

  • Tiger Power  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 11:49 am

    I can’t agree with you more Mr. Atayde(giving San Beda the loss…and not rewarding CSB)…sometimes i may have a crack reading your articles…though bias on your part is understandable given your allegiance to your school (i probably maybe doing the same thing).

    Now what the hell is happening with my Tigers, times like this…i miss cuan and his awful FT%…

  • 1point  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 12:01 pm

    @atom, did CSB protest this issue? if they did, they should have done it during the game.

    but whether CSB protested or not, rules should still be enforced.

    anyway, SBC can beat CSB (and some teams) anytime this season and even still win the championship. kaya lang, they have to work harder just because of this mistake.

  • Guest  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 12:03 pm

    SBC-CSB, parehong letters lang, iba lang arrangment.

  • boy_siga  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 1:10 pm

    wag mag alala beda, bibigyan din ng isang talo ng mapua ang letran.. that way, maglalaban beda at letran na may tig isang talo. ok ba yun?

  • Apung Iru  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 1:41 pm

    its the basketball team officials of the RL’s fault of letting Sam wear a wrong uniform. i agree na pag may namatay dapat may magreklamo… but i also would like to stress out na habang ninanakawan ka eh hahayaan mo lang ba? diba dapat sumigaw ka kaagad when you sense something is wrong. Sana nagreklamo kaagad yung CSB officials nung game para di na umabot sa protestahan. pag nanalo kaya yung csb magrereklamo sila?

    anyway if the game is forfeited infavor of the Blazers… take it away with your guys… balato na ng RL sainyo yan. alam naman nating lahat kung sino ang nanalo. besides a true basketball game is won at the hard court not at the desk. hay rules are rules… but what a big crack there is.

    thanks for bringing this us Tony!

  • Apung Iru  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 1:41 pm

    its the basketball team officials of the RL’s fault of letting Sam wear a wrong uniform. i agree na pag may namatay dapat may magreklamo… but i also would like to stress out na habang ninanakawan ka eh hahayaan mo lang ba? diba dapat sumigaw ka kaagad when you sense something is wrong. Sana nagreklamo kaagad yung CSB officials nung game para di na umabot sa protestahan. pag nanalo kaya yung csb magrereklamo sila?

    anyway if the game is forfeited infavor of the Blazers… take it away with your guys… balato na ng RL sainyo yan. alam naman nating lahat kung sino ang nanalo. besides a true basketball game is won at the hard court not at the desk. hay rules are rules… but what a big crack there is.

    thanks for bringing this up sir Tony!

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Apung Iru,

    You said that “diba dapat sumigaw ka kaagad when you sense something is wrong.” Excellent point! So why didn’t the Red Lions do so?

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Christian,

    It should count as loss for San Beda and a loss for CSB. It may affect the final outcome but that is the only win win situation I see. CSB does not deserve the victory. They should not be rewarded for San Beda’s error.

    Tiger Power,

    UST’s problem is that they missed all pre-season tournaments. Their rookies who have had to step up because of injuries have no experience at this level.

    La Salle was also beset with injuries during the pre-season but they took this as an opportunity to expose their rookies to the other UAAP teams.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Do you know that Ateneo had 2 players with the wrong uniform in the last game? But UP did not want to file a protest even if the error was obvious and there were pictures to prove it.

  • Apung Iru  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 2:12 pm

    LDC… percisely why i said that it the SBC coaching staff’s fault of letting Ekwe wear the wrong uni. I was just wondering why CSB officials waited for the outcome before they filed the protest. i wonder why mancom let the player play with the wrong jersey. too bad SBC’s error is causing another big issue with NCAA mancom. coach gee et.al. should have seen this at the start. coach frankie et. al. should have provided sam with bettter laundry/uniform allowance.

  • Grrr!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 2:16 pm

    If UP does not protest, then it is up to the commissioner to take cognizance of ADMU’s error and have the eagles forfeit the games. Baka nagbu-bulag bulagan ang commish dahil school niya ang involved. Remember, no one complained about pumaren not wearing his ID yet the commish took notice of the fault and imposed sanction. Dapat ganito din sa UP-ADMU game, otherwise, haosiaowan na lang ito. Kung haosiaowan, just give every team in the UAAP a trophy and cancel the season…sheeshhh

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Grrr,

    Excellent point. The Commissioner Almighty who sees what he wants but is blind to what he refuses to see.

  • uno_mas  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 2:34 pm

    to Grrr:

    It was a stupid interpretation of a stupid rule!!! This is not a fashion show, where people should take notice of what people wear! Imagine if that was a championship game! The inventor of basketball would roll over his grave thinking how stupid people can be.

    Whoever noticed it, should have corrected the mistake the minute he saw it. Not when the game was over. It’s so cheap!!!

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Apung Iru,

    Before you wonder about the intent of the persons who filed the protest or the Mancom or Gee Abanilla maybe you should ask why San Beda didn’t pull out Ekwe immediately after they discovered he was wearing the wrong uniform. I mean, they would have been the first to notice he wasn’t wearing the correct uniform, RIGHT?

  • uno_mas  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Siguro, bakla ang gumawa ng rule na yan. Frustrated fashion designer palagay ko.

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 3:24 pm

    uno_mas,

    Care to suggest something better than this “stupid rule?”

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 3:50 pm

    In the Ateneo - UP game, both Kirk Long and Vince Burke were not wearing the right uniform.

    The Commissioner Almighty decides to hit La Salle a penealty for no ID and lets this one go? Oh my gosh!!! At least in NCAA they are not afraid to address issues no matter how unpoupular they are.

  • DeViLmInE  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Sir atayde can you show the pictures? i really want to see it. THANKS!

  • uno_mas  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 3:53 pm

    To LDC:

    Seriously, the mistake was in the interpretation of that rule (6.5). What Ekwe wore was an OFFICIAL PLAYING TEAM UNIFORM! He wore it before in a official game right? So, who is it to say that its not official? Tell, me Mr. LDC, if your team was awarded the championship trophy just because of that 6.5 rule, I’ll bet you’ll parade that trophy all over your school and declare a school holiday, won’t you? That’s how cheap people can be.

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 4:02 pm

    uno_mas,

    Ekwe was wearing his Bantay Bata uniform. Refer to “Sam Ekwe’s Bantay Bata Jersey” by Mike Abasolo (http://www.inboundpass.com/2008/07/19/sam-ekwes-bantay-bata-jersey/).

  • uno_mas  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 4:13 pm

    To LDC,

    Now, to answer your question about that “stupid rule”. They should revise or totally scrap that rule “9.2 A team shall lose the game by FORFEITURE if and when:9.2.1 An INELIGIBLE athlete is fielded or enters the playing court with an intent to play. He and his team shall lose the game/match BY FORFEITURE.”

    I suggest they change the rule and implement a 3 infraction rule where only on the third infraction, the game will be forfeited in favor of the non-offending team. That way, the offending team would have no more excuse whatsover.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 4:22 pm

    uno mas,

    Read the rule again:

    6.1 All athletes shall wear the OFFICIAL PLAYING TEAM UNIFORM in all the games/matches of the current NCAA Season.

    It says “durrent NCAA season”

    If yu want to be angry at someone, get angry at those that put the rule in effect. They are the ones who have to be reprimanded.

  • uno_mas  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 4:23 pm

    It was a tiny logo, for Pete’s sake. This uniform was worn by Ekwe on an official game before.

    The reason why I am so angry about this rule is because its too harsh that it takes the spirit and essence out of the game.

    How would you react if that was a championship game? Would you say that rule is fair? This officials should be more strict on let’s say “game fixing” or “game rigging”. But to penalize a team (even if they played their heart out on the court) because of a very small discrepancy in member’s uniform is outright abhorring and totally not fair.

  • Christian  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 4:33 pm

    #

    LDC Add karma Subtract karma +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 2:40 pm

    @LDC

    Before you wonder about the intent of the persons who filed the protest or the Mancom or Gee Abanilla maybe you should ask why San Beda didn’t pull out Ekwe immediately after they discovered he was wearing the wrong uniform. I mean, they would have been the first to notice he wasn’t wearing the correct uniform, RIGHT?

    Funny thing is, the whole San Beda Red Lions team didn’t know that Sam is not wearing the proper uniform :)

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 4:34 pm

    uno_mas,

    Good suggestion but it’s not that simple, unfortunately.

    Let’s take the SBC-CSB game as an example. Sam Ekwe played wearing the wrong uniform. Given the rule, he shouldn’t have played. But he did (12 points, 20 rebounds) so how do we undo his contribution considering he should not have played in the first place?

  • The_Big_Cat  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 4:54 pm

    In the 2001 UAAP Finals, Ateneo wore their throwback uniforms of 1988.

  • Grrr!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 5:04 pm

    the rules as shown by green mind are very clear. since other teamns in the past have been penalized because of this stupid rule, then justice dictates that san beda, the erring team should likewise be penalized now. it may or may not be a stupid rule, but the remedy is change the rule. not applying the rule is not the answer to the problem for it is an inconsistency the mancom cannot afford.

  • atom  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 5:37 pm

    CHEAP!!!!!

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 5:40 pm

    The_Big_Cat,

    I see no problem in wearing a throwback uniform. A throwback uniform is a replica and is OK as long as the design is within the guidelines set by the league.

  • pakito  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 6:22 pm

    dapat siguro sa barangay maglaro si EKWE, dun siguro hindi gano mahigpit ang rules sa uniform. wag naman pag NCAA na. sa mga summer or pre season tournaments siguro pwede pa.

    rules should be followed, kahit na stupid rule yan or magaling na rule. ginawa nila yan para sundin eh.

  • uno_mas  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 6:51 pm

    To LDC:

    That game can’t be undone anymore. It would be a cheap victory for CSB and to all those who don’t like San Beda.

    I just wish the people who made those rules would be humble enough to admit that they made it without thinking thoroughly all the possible scenarios that may incur. Like for example, what if it was a championship or a do-or-die game.

    I know a lot of people are praying for San Beda to lose. But, guys, not that way! There is no pride in a cheap victory like this one.

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 7:07 pm

    uno_mas,

    If Ekwe’s contribution to the game cannot be undone then it becomes unfair to CSB if SBC gets away with just a warning, doesn’t it? Then the situation turns around and SBC gets the cheap victory instead.

  • red01  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 7:16 pm

    @pakito
    yup, somehow i see your point.
    But do you think the rule is just?
    or the consequence is right?

  • uno_mas  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 7:22 pm

    LDC:

    Are you suggesting then that maybe we could just subtract the final score with the output that Ekwe made?

    What I’m trying to emphasize is the narrowness of this rule. Its so obviously flawed, that even if it was the other way around (if CSB is the erring team), both teams will still be feeling cheated. Which is why, I was mentioning that this rule breaks the essence and spirit of the game basketball.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 7:34 pm

    We at inboundpass are putting together the deatils of the same issue but this time in the UAAP. In Ateneo’s win over UP, Kirk Long and Vince Burke were not wearing the same uniform as the rest of the team. But in the case of the UAAP there is a completely different angle.

    Abangan!

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 7:38 pm

    uno mas,

    I dont think anyone will disagree with you that the penalty is too severe for the infraction. It’s like sending a jaywalker to the electric chair. But the argument should be brought up to the Mancom.

    It’s about time that the fans of collegiate basketball demand that the 2 leagues get their act together. After all, the fans are the ones who bring in the revenue. If nobody cares about collegiate ball, no television station will broadcast it, no sponsors will come in and no gate receipts will be earned.

    WE ALL DESERVE BETTER!

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 7:51 pm

    uno_mas,

    Nope, I am not suggesting anything. I was just emphasizing a situation where your suggestion of a penalty of two (or three) warnings before a forfeiture is still inequitable to at least one of the parties. This brings me to the point that the solution to this is not as simple as it seems. Hope you realize this, too.

  • uno_mas  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 8:02 pm

    The Green Mind,

    You are absolutely right.

    But I don’t think they will change anything now that the league is ongoing. I hope they will learn from mistakes such as this in the next season.

    Come to think of it, I bet, this issue would generate more gate receipts and longer TV time. Just to satisfy people’s curiosity.

  • uno_mas  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 8:16 pm

    @LDC:

    At least with a 3 or 2 infraction rule, there would be no more arguments, frustrations, and yelling “I’ve been cheated!”. People (the fans, officials, players, school) would have no reason not to accept the decision.

    If that rule is fair, we won’t be having this conversations right now. That is why its flawed because it has no benefit whatsover to the betterment of the league. On the contrary, the rule is so full of holes, that arguments like these are bound to happen.

  • LDC  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 9:01 pm

    uno_mas,

    Read my post at Monday, 21 July 2008 at 4:34 pm through to the 7:07 pm post.

    Your suggestion of a warning instead of forfeiture would be unfair to CSB as they would be penalized for an infraction they had nothing to do with. Worse, SBC would be rewarded for it. Actually, if you think about it, the result will be worse than that of the current rule.

    Again, as I said in my previous post (which I hope you have come to realize), this not-wearing-the-proper-uniform issue is not as simple as it seems. And to fix it will take more than a million fans screaming “we should change this stupid rule!” The issue must be thought through, suggestions discussed intelligently and actions taken. I agree with The Green Mind: bring it up with your school rep so it can be elevated to the Mancom.

    As of the moment, I still think the current rule, though not perfect, it is still the best the NCAA has.

  • MonL  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Monday, 21 July 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Did the difference in logo make Ekwe jump higher, run faster, shoot better? Did the logo cause any doubt as to the identity of the team? Is the logo of a corporate sponsor such an integral part of the uniform that given that the rest of the team wore sets that were absolutely the same with regard to color, dimensions, measurements and fonts and left no doubt as to the identity of the team, that a difference in the postion of the sponsor’s logo on one player would make a difference in impression? Let’s not kid ourselves. This protest focused on the letter of the rule, not the spirit of the rule. What Pharisees we be to let it go to that point.

  • justice  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 12:14 am

    this is so unfair…matatalo dahil sa jersey…actually top lang yung mali hindi shorts…and actually yung logo lang yung hindi nakaposisiyon pero the same uniform parin…yung number and yung pagkasulat ng SAN BEDA is the same as others! suspension would be the best solution but not forfeiture of game…or mas maganda…wala nalang nanalo, wala ring natalo…as in nullified nalang yung game para fair sa dalawang team…if mancom will permit it…sayang ang sweep ng san beda…

  • Chief Waka-waka  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 12:21 am

    Mr. Atayde, are you related to Linggoy Atayde of San Beda?

  • damn!!  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 1:30 am

    sisihin nyo yung “talk & text” na logo.. lumipat sa gitna eh.. hehehe..

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 8:17 am

    Chief Waka,

    Yes I am related to him. He is my 1st cousin. Coincidentally, he was also in the first batch of little indians of San Beda many many years ago.

    My father is a Bedan too. My dad as the one wrote the “San Beda Go, Go GO” cheer.

  • The Green Mind  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 8:26 am

    Justice,

    This rule has been in effect for a long time. In fact it has been implemented many times with no one raising a whimper. This time however, it has been brought to the forefront because it happened in basketball and to San Beda.

    So now that it is know that this rule does not have a balance between the infraction and the punishment, will something be done to change it? Shouldn’t all this complaints be directed to the Mancom?

  • uno_mas  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Can you tell us how to get in touch in Mancom then?

  • red_cub  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
    Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 7:18 am

    Yes, this should be directed to the Mancom.. and what bothers me more really is not CSB going through with the complaint, but the NCAA Mancom initiating it when they are the ones who are going to decide on it too.. The UAAP Mancom didn’t initiate it, although they “know” that there was an infraction that could also lead to a forfeiture of the game, it was just in the hands of UP whether to go through with the complaint.. but they decided not to go through with it.

    Before this incident even happened, right after San Beda’s first game actually versus Mapua, Bill Velasco and the hosts of Hardcore, a sports TV show, was talking about who can beat San Beda or who can match up with them very well, they talked about San Sebastian, Letran, etc. and at the end, one of the hosts jokingly said “What about the matchup between the NCAA vs. San Beda?” Bill and the other guy just smiled and didn’t say a word because they can only talk about that “off air” and not on air.

    It’s just not us Bedans who have NOTICED it, but non-bedans as well, and even the hosts of Hardcore that the NCAA Mancom is out to get San Beda, that the NCAA Mancom is against San Beda, with the rule changes about the 2 foreign at a time rule which had been an NCAA rule for years and years and was only changed when Ekwe and Udo came along for San Beda (but Udo decided to leave the game, the rule probably helped him decide to go AWOL since he doesn’t want to spend one more year to wait for Ekwe to play more minutes).

    The remarks of that one host at Hardcore shows that they’ve also noticed the NCAA Mancom against San Beda… well we’re only in the first round, San Beda is no longer surprised that they are the ones who initiated the complaint when rules say that they are the ones who are also going to decide on it. I’m sure there’s more to come from the NCAA Mancom.. let’s watch out for it.. :-)

    Animo San Beda! We are against 8 teams this year, PCU, Letran, etc. including the NCAA Mancom!

    Just wondering, what’s NCAA Mancom’s lineup this year? hehehe.. I mean, sino-sino ba member ngayon ng NCAA Mancom? I know Atayde was a member last year, Fr. Ed from San Beda (Am I right?) Supan of JRU.. Sino pa ba sa ibang schools?

    Go San Beda Fight!


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Tony L.
Tony L. Atayde

Very Opinionated. Very Green. Hate him. Love Him. It does not matter and he does not care. A Howard Stern in cyberspace. He bleeds Green, He is purely from La Salle – as a former writer and Assistant Vice President for Events of the DLSU Alumni Association. Played basketball and was on the track and field team for La Salle during the NCAA just don't ask what year.