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• Blazer     +0
  Friday, 14 March 2008 at 4:01 pm
  

  Ouch. If PCU is to be removed from the league, I hope we get a replacement of good caliber. Yung may quality crowd attendance. UA&P, anyone?

• Grrr!     +0
  Friday, 14 March 2008 at 4:02 pm
  

  PCU is an NCAA powerhouse team. This may be an underhanded approach to secure the wins for certain popular teams and assure better TV revenues.

• Grrr!     +0
  Friday, 14 March 2008 at 4:17 pm
  

  But if they are really guilty and acted with malice to put one over the other teams, then they should be booted out of the NCAA. While a single mispresentation may have been the result of misplaced exhuberance to win one for the team, such events on a more widespread scale showns negligence, if ever, on the part of the powers that be, to allow such practices to happen. The league should never condone the duplicitous and malicious acts undertakinga os its member schools. Maybe it’s time to consider CEU or Lyceum as possible replacements.

• Blazer (Get_Blazed)     +0
  Friday, 14 March 2008 at 8:03 pm
  

  Looks like Lyceum, EAC, Fatima and Arellano are interested to join if PCU opts out.
  I say yes to Lyceum and EAC, while I am not particularly keen on Fatima and Arellano. I say why not UA&P too? Maybe we can expand to a 12 team league, right?

  http://www.mb.com.ph/SPRT20080314119403.html

• Blazer (Get_Blazed)     +0
  Friday, 14 March 2008 at 8:06 pm
  

  @Grrr!: though this might be out of context, I am convinced that PCU had done enough damage to the name of the league. I believe that they are guilty of the accusations. Appropriate action must be taken to prevent further defamation to the NCAA.

• Blazer (Get_Blazed)     +0
  Friday, 14 March 2008 at 10:27 pm
  

  @Grrr!: If Lyceum comes in then there would be a 3-way Intramuros Rivalry. Hahaha. CEU aint so bad too. Mendiola wars anyone? =D

  http://ncaaphil.multiply.com

• The_Big_Cat     +0
  Saturday, 15 March 2008 at 1:31 pm
  

  Instead of kicking out PCU, id rather have them suspended. And add two college teams to the league. St. Francis of Assisi and EAC. Considering the succes of the DE OCAMPO brothers, Ervin Sotto and Cris Pacana in the PBA. And the recent Ronjay Buenafe of EAC. The ST FRANCIS OF ASSISI COLLEGE and EMILIO AGUINALDO COLLEGE are the most competitive collegiate schools outside the NCAA and UAAP.

• macky     +0
  Sunday, 16 March 2008 at 12:36 am
  

  UA&P for me is a good caliber school to match up the big UAAP schools.. but athleticism of the athletics program of a school is a factor in a NCAA settings.

• mike     +0
  Monday, 17 March 2008 at 9:37 pm
  

  We’ve heard is that EAC has the most noise among the candidates mentioned. Former NCAA member Trinity (Stallions) is also a prime candidate.

• blackmamba     +0
  Monday, 17 March 2008 at 10:24 pm
  

  kahit ata masuspend ulit pcu hindi daw sila aalis sa ncaa…. kaya baka hindi matuloy yung balitang replacement sa pcu… siguro mas maganda kung huwag nalang palitan ng ibang school ang pcu…

• The_Big_Cat     +0
  Tuesday, 18 March 2008 at 10:21 am
  

  It would be a retro season for the NCAA if Trinity College would return. I recall seing Trinity College had 6′5″ Manny Victorino in my Dad’s old NCAA 76 & 77 Yearbook. Off course, Trinity should prove their competitiveness this past years in order for them to make a comeback.

• blank     +0
  Tuesday, 18 March 2008 at 11:15 am
  

  its good that the ncaa is doing something. unlike in the other league they’re afraid to give punishment to league violators and the only solution they have is to run away with it and hide the truth..
  what happened to the duncil case? i guess it just normal to have 2 bc in the uaap. and so many unfinished issue..
  and thats what they call culture..

• Get_Blazed     +0
  Tuesday, 18 March 2008 at 9:38 pm
  

  @The Big Cat, it was only in the 80s when Trinity was part of the NC..

• Major Dude     +0
  Wednesday, 19 March 2008 at 7:37 am
  

  @Get_Blazed, Trinity was there already as early as the 70’s. They had been the cellar dweller in all the years they have been with the NCAA.

  @The_Big_Cat, Are you sure about it? All the while I thought Victorino played for JRC then.

  I think the NCAA should revive and continue on with their plan to expand by introducing Division II and accept the likes of Lyceum, EAC, Centro Escolar, Fatima, Arellano and even STI who are all knocking on NC’s door. Then relegate PCU to division II as a form of punishment for the violations committed. Teams that do well in the second division may end up playing in the 1st division. In this way, they will be doing what should have been done before, develop college basketball.

• The_Big_Cat     +0
  Wednesday, 19 March 2008 at 10:32 am
  

  @Major Dude, I stand corrected. Yes, Victorino played for JRU. It was a long time ago. Ateneo had then the quartet of Fritz Gaston, Joy Carpio, Padim Israel and Steve Watson. And my brother’s uncle, Bambi Kabigting.

  @Get Blazed, im pretty sure Trinity was part of the NCAA in the 70’s.

• oca     +0
  Wednesday, 19 March 2008 at 2:55 pm
  

  I consider it irresponsible on the part of the reporter(s) to mention the names of the Junior players involved in PCU’s cheating without actually stating categorically what form of cheating they have been a party to.

  Only Importante’s case has been defined. But what about the other players?

  Should this episode in their lives as junior ballers be a burden when they move to college, assuming they will have to secure an athletic scholarship to be able to study?

  Take the case of Pascual who is now with San Beda.

  As shared by a Bedan booster in another forum, the kid was asked to re-enroll as a 3rd year hs student when recruited by PCU. He eventually graduated and PCU gave him his academic credentials which was what Pascual used when he enrolled at San Beda. The fact that he continues to be a student at San Beda this second semester is proof that his hs records are in order. Otherwise, they will not even consider him for inclusion in next season’s NCAA.

  But with his name being mentioned in the context of PCU’s suspension due to cheating, what impression does this create in the mind of the public?

  The same applies to Victor Miguel Oliveros, Jundell Navaja, and James De Gano.

  Ano ba ang dahilan at nabanggit ang panglan ng mga bata?

  Baka biktima ang mga iyan at hindi kasangkot.

  Kung hindi niyo alam ang involvement nila, hindi na dapat banggitin ang pangalan. What’s worse, anonymous pa ang source! Konting discernment naman for the sake of the kids.

  Dahil nabanggit na nga, at the very least, what these reporter(s) can do is make a follow up report defining the involvement of the kids.

  Be fair to the kids AND the reading public.

  Don’t be irresponsible.

• Major Dude     +0
  Wednesday, 19 March 2008 at 8:31 pm
  

  There’s probably malice in their reasons why their names were mentioned. Specifically in the case of Pascual, a talented player who is definitely suiting up for San Beda this season 84. But I don’t think the writers are to be blamed for this. They will, definitely report whatever is fed to them. Blame it on the person/s who have leaked their names. Especially person/s from a school who may have an axe to grind against the reigning school champion. Just trying to read between the lines, dudes!

• josef     +0
  Wednesday, 19 March 2008 at 9:17 pm
  

  Yes you are right major dude we are just relying on to what the respective school officials have said to us.

  As long as there is a decision from Man Com, we can write a story. If none, we cannot write…

• macky     +0
  Thursday, 20 March 2008 at 10:46 am
  

  i think NCAA MaNCom should come up with a statement as soon as possible regarding to this issue… The PCU’s suspension and what schools will be added for the next NCAA season if PCU will be suspended or remove from the league..

• Major Dude     +0
  Thursday, 20 March 2008 at 12:56 pm
  

  You’re right there! They should do it as early as now to clear the air and not when the season is about to start. So as not to rock the boat by affirming facts and thrashing out those that are mere speculations, ManCom should call a presscon and announce its decision on PCU’s fate to avoid another mishandling of a case and clarifying “misquotes” from the writers as responsible individuals are now saying. Passing the buck?

• Christian Soler     +0
  Thursday, 20 March 2008 at 5:08 pm
  

  As reporters and members of the working press, we have a responsibility to report what we hear. It is not unfair if some names emerge from the surface, primarily because we explicitly state whether or not they’re indeed charged, or just implicated. It is not irresponsible reportage/journalism.

  The problem with forums (unlike inboundpass.com) is that the faces hide behind the pseudonyms or threads. Here, we readily show ourselves before all of you in the name of responsible and transparent journalism. You may have stones to throw at us, but the fact remains that we are committed to our craft and not disrespecting or maligning any “kids AND the reading public.”

• Major Dude     +0
  Thursday, 20 March 2008 at 7:29 pm
  

  Salute to the inboundpass writers! I believe that you guys are doing your best to give us your own honest opinions (as much as we do get to express ours), updates and the latest developments in college basketball which you dont normally read in the regular papers. More power!

• macky     +0
  Friday, 21 March 2008 at 9:39 am
  

  i cocurn….!!!

• macky     +0
  Friday, 21 March 2008 at 9:39 am
  

  i concurn!!!

• Grrr!     +0
  Friday, 21 March 2008 at 10:39 am
  

  All players who are parties to the fraudulent activities should NEVER be allowd to play in the NCAA. This is to send a strong message to all and sundry that honesty and integrity are held premium in the league. While the fraud may have been instigted by school officials, the players are equally to blame for allowing such fraud to happen with their consent, more so since they benefitted from it. Alam nilang hindi nalam sila nakatapos ng particular academic level yet they purported that they indeed had.

  DISHONESTY and LACK of INTEGRITY should never be tolerated in the NCAA and those players, whether they transfer to San Beda, Letran, Mapua etc. should never be made part of the team. HONESTY and INTEGRITY should reign supreme over any baketball crown. The fiasco suffered by DLSU because of such shenanigans will never be lived down by the school.

• Major Dude     +0
  Friday, 21 March 2008 at 1:44 pm
  

  While the fraud may have been instigted by school officials, the players are equally to blame for allowing such fraud to happen with their consent, more so since they benefitted from it. Alam nilang hindi nalam sila nakatapos ng particular academic level yet they purported that they indeed had.

  - these players are high school students and most are minors who are not legally-bound to give their consent. they may have parents that are not intellectually gifted and may be financially strapped. hence they are susceptible to deception thinking that everything is in order and could only think of “rewards” promised them by their finders. i dont believe they deserved to be crucified for it. they should be given the second chance to prove that they indeed meet the age and academic requirements for them to play, and be absolved of any wrongdoing. la salle has paid for that painfully (but at least it admitted that fraud has indeed been committed). others got caught. other schools got away with it. . i wonder then why duncil and ust got away with it. will they ever lived it down?

• Get_Blazed     +0
  Saturday, 22 March 2008 at 8:16 pm
  

  Regarding Trinity’s membership in the NCAA, I checked and 80’s nga lumabas. Pls refer to this chart:

  http://images.jtaguibao.multiply.com/image/3:ncaaphil/photos/3/500×500/1/77de4424c096fbe12b8def83f7737543.png?et=GT8yn8JjJNjxgPgjE1fCYw&nmid=83470445

• Major Dude     +0
  Sunday, 23 March 2008 at 1:13 pm
  

  That can’t be Get_Blazed. I was a freshman in high school when San Beda won the NCAA 1977-78 season against Ateneo. Trinity was there already.

• Get_Blazed     +0
  Sunday, 23 March 2008 at 8:29 pm
  

  @Major Dude: really? Man, then this damned chart is useless. Haha

• Major Dude     +0
  Sunday, 23 March 2008 at 8:56 pm
  

  its cool. that spilled the beans. now you know how old i am.

• Get_Blazed     +0
  Sunday, 23 March 2008 at 10:08 pm
  

  @Major Dude: I will pretend not to notice. Haha

• oca     +0
  Monday, 24 March 2008 at 9:58 am
  

  I wonder why we have to wait for the NCAA’s official statement to define the involvement of the kids. When in fact the report was written based NOT on an official press release.

  In my initial post, I used the word “discernment”. That should guide every reporter when writing based on an anonymous source. So, what if he is considered reliable? Is that a license to mention any kid’s name in a fraudulent act?

  More than a reporter’s responsibility to report what he hears and sees, there is a greater responsibility in reporting responsibly.

  The report was written based on an anonymous source. Why can’t the same reliable source be asked to spell out the involvement of the kids?

  Kung may kasalan, may kasalanan. Paano kung biktima, iba yun.

  If the source can name names, he can surely give the specifics of the kids’ involvement.

  Reliable naman siya, di ba?

• The_Big_Cat     +0
  Monday, 24 March 2008 at 1:26 pm
  

  @Major Dude, inabot mo pala si Ferdinand Pumaren in San Beda HS? I think Dindo was ahead of Benjie Paras and Teddy Monasterio, right?

• mike     +0
  Monday, 24 March 2008 at 1:32 pm
  

  Dindo (GS 80, HS 84) is ahead of Benjie Paras and Teddy Monasterio.

• mike     +0
  Monday, 24 March 2008 at 1:44 pm
  

  If you are indeed Mr. Conrad Oca, Hello Sir. Damn if we do mention and damn if we don’t mention. If we don’t mention, someone would say, we heard that Pascual’s name was mentioned, why not this site? Now the same thing applies if we mention his name thus your reaction to this report. Since their names were “mentioned” from a source close to the Mancom, then we have a responsibility to report it unless you want us to hide. But the kid has never been charged yet of a crime AND I believe that is enough reason for Pascual’s eligibility in the league.

• oca     +0
  Monday, 24 March 2008 at 2:34 pm
  

  @mike

  It’s all about the kids’s welfare and interest. If we are to write anything that involves them, I firmly believe we should be more discerning in deciding if we should mention their names.

  Kaya huwag isiping may undertone or kulay or paghamon ang posts ko.

  In as much as I would want to comment on 2 other points you wrote - “damn if you do…” and “…why not this site?”, I’d rather not for it may take away the attention from my 2 previous post.

  Siyanga pala, hindi ako si Bernard.

• oca     +0
  Monday, 24 March 2008 at 3:19 pm
  

  sino nga ba yung binanggit kong bernard? hahahaha… samantalang conrad naman ang sinulat mo.

• Major Dude     +0
  Monday, 24 March 2008 at 6:23 pm
  

  @The Big Cat. Mike is corect. That era is laden with so much talent from the Red Cubs which won a UAAP championship for UP. Paras, Magsanoc, Altamirano, Roque and Salvatiera were in that team. They are almost in the same batch were Esplana, Vergeire and Pumaren were, i think? But my batch is way ahead of them. It was the time when parked cars are turnedover with windshields being shattered and people were being hurt. Those were the days when the bitter rival is Ateneo. La Salle was a close ally specially during and after game rumbles and in parties. San Beda was the only school that can hold itself high in fights with Letranites. Good thing students are more disciplined now (in the games) because we were not but it was good memories.
  @mike- conrad is batchmate.

• Get_Blazed     +0
  Monday, 24 March 2008 at 10:36 pm
  

  Regarding my the show of interest by some schools to join if PCU decides to opt out, I also made a short list:

  http://ncaaphil.multiply.com/photos/album/13

  http://pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337466

  Pls give your comments and opinions too. Thanks.

• The_Big_Cat     +0
  Tuesday, 25 March 2008 at 9:50 am
  

  @Major Dude, I was in grade school when my dad(former Beda alumni pres.) took me to the ULTRA in the 1986 UAAP season, it was a UP-UE ellimination round match. This was the first time i saw Benjie Paras, Ronald Magsanoc and Eric Altamirano. UE had then Ella and the “white-haired” Fermin. I remembered Fermin because the gallery were screaming “lolo”. Gerald Esplana, i think played a season with the Red Lions before transferring to FEU. All of them entered PBA in 1989. Paras and Magsanoc for SHELL, Altamirano for ALASKA and Esplana entered in 1990 for PRESTO, where Esplana was also the 1990 PBA ROY.

  Truly, San Beda High School, has the best high school program in the country for nearly 30 years.

• Major Dude     +0
  Tuesday, 25 March 2008 at 7:19 pm
  

  Salute to the Red Cubs who made it big in other schools! Paras, Magasanoc & Altamirano (UP), Esplana (FEU). Casio, Monasterio, Ritualo & Pumaren (La Salle). Tenorio, Membrere, Escalona, Escueta, and Arao (Ateneo) Was the current point guard of UE a former cub. I heard a number will be suiting for Mapua. And of course, who can forget former cubs, the high-leaping Boybits Victoria, Joey Loyzaga and Mike Advani, all opted to play for the Red Lions like their younger counterparts who are now with the celebrated champion team. And all those unsung Cubs who had helped their teams win games. ANIMO!

• NCAA_fan     +0
  Tuesday, 25 March 2008 at 7:24 pm
  

  mas maganda pa rn na magRemain ang PCU sa NCAA kasi sabi nga ng iba na PCU is a power house team in the league w/c is true. kung CEU nmn ang papalit sa PCU baka walang marating ang CEU pagdating sa collegiate sports competition kasi wala nmn alam mga GUYS dun kundi mgpagwapo kht nmn trying hard karamihan sa knila… hehe peace

• The_Big_Cat     +0
  Wednesday, 26 March 2008 at 9:32 am
  

  Yes, who could forget Emmanuel “Boybits” Victoria. Famous for his slam dunks on warm-ups before the game. He was called “Boybits” from the word “Boy Bitin”.

  Victoria was the 3rd Overall Pick in the 1994 PBA Draft by the RFM Franchise. He was behind to number 1 pick, Noli Locsin of Ginebra, and number 2 pick Rey Evangelista of Purefoods. Victoria, eventually was the 1994 PBA Rookie of the Year.

  Victoria was part of the Red Lions team that made the 1991 NCAA Finals. That team also produced the 1991 NCAA Senior’s MVP in Antonio “Tony” Valeriano from Pampanga.

• The_Big_Loser     +0
  Friday, 28 March 2008 at 12:20 am
  

  I don’t think Trinity College will join because it is planning to withdraw from CUSA because of the lack of money.

  I don’t think it is true because joining NCAA requires million of pesos…

  At the same time, I’m against the Stallions disbanment because the scholarship of their athletes will loss.

  That’s very sad…

• Hearsay     +0
  Friday, 28 March 2008 at 6:59 am
  

  Report what you hear?

  Probably most of them are hearsay masquerqading as truth.

  If it cannot be verified, why report it?

  Hey, I heard there are aliens in Mars according to my source inside NASA. Damn if I report this, damn if I don’t.

  I’m telling the truth. Like Padre Damaso aka Sagon and Jojo Duncil, I am telling the truth.

• Hearsay     +0
  Friday, 28 March 2008 at 7:05 am
  

  Grrrr!, don’t forget to mention your school, UST.

• mike     +0
  Friday, 28 March 2008 at 11:06 pm
  

  I heard is different from from an anonymous source. It is still 1st hand. So there is no dispute to this and we know our boundaries. Unless you “an anonymous person from NASA” tells you that they saw a UFO….maybe tha could be a credible source..I hope you know what I mean.

• Hearsay     +0
  Friday, 4 April 2008 at 3:04 am
  

  I’m ok with that Mike.

  Now how about UST’s violation? Jojo Duncil played for UST with a tampered document which is a criminal offense.

  Where is the inbounpass follow-up? Why target PCU? Because PCU appear to be dispensable?

  La Salle and PCU paid the price. How about UST?

  Fray Torquemada , the Dominican Grand Inquisitor during the Spanish Inquisition who burned alive a lot of “heretics”, would be very proud.

• mitch crux     +0
  Sunday, 6 April 2008 at 12:49 pm
  

  you know guys every team does that they were just bluffing everybody in the league that they are not doing such things like that. they just wanted pcu to get off the hook of the league because of some reasons and you guys know of that. this was all a big joke!!! pcu has had their time of being cought of their misdeeds. but then everybody deserves a second chance like what ust had…

• mighty_lion     +0
  Thursday, 17 April 2008 at 11:33 am
  

  To inboundpass reporter(s) - Sir(s) wala parin bang follow-up report regarding this topic? I wonder why the closure is taking that long.

• truth     +0
  Thursday, 17 April 2008 at 11:47 am
  

  at least ang la salle umamin noon.

  ang ust hindi. kahit na within the age limit pa si duncil noong 2006 na nagchampion sila, the fact is ang documents niya were already tampered from the beginning. gusto pa nga ipasok siya last year kung hindi lang may naka diskubre ng anomalya.

  ang pcu, medyo garapalan na ang ginagawa. tama lang masuspend pa rin sila.

• mike     +0
  Thursday, 17 April 2008 at 11:58 am
  

  During the turnover rights next week (i believe April 24), the NCAA mancom will announce the fate of PCU.

• very unfair     +0
  Thursday, 17 April 2008 at 4:01 pm
  

  i agree… ust should be penalized… their escaping this controversy without a single scratch in their name..

• Bodie5283     +0
  Thursday, 17 April 2008 at 7:46 pm
  

  TANGGALIN NA ANG PCU NKAKAHIYA SA IBANG LIGA. SINISIRA NILA CREDIBILIDAD NG NCAA. BAGONG SALTA LANG SILA DAMI NA AGAD KASALANAN SAYANG ANG MGA HISTORY NG NCAA.

  AT SA IBANG SCHOOLS NA SUMASAWSAW DYAN WAG NA KAYO MANGARAP MAHAL NA ANG BIGAS TAMA NA YUNG PITONG TEAMS DAHIL SIGURADO MAHAL NA ANG TICKET. BAWAL DIN ANG 12 TEAMS SA LEAGUE DHIL MASASAGASAAN ANG SEM BREAK NG MGA SCHOOLS. KAYA 7 IS GOOD PARA TIPID

• jayr_1080     +0
  Monday, 21 April 2008 at 2:59 am
  

  lyceum of the Philippines raw ang papalit s PCU according s news.

• santa     +0
  Monday, 21 April 2008 at 11:48 am
  

  malakas ba basketball team ng lyceum?

• THE ONLOOKER     +0
  Tuesday, 22 April 2008 at 8:03 pm
  

  Lyceum Pirates is really NCAA caliber, but I really don’t like their attitude. They played with Adamson University on the recent Father Martin Cup and there were two instances that almost sparked into a brawl. FMC pa lang yun, visiting team pa sila. Tigas. :lol:

• mighty_lion     +0
  Tuesday, 6 May 2008 at 9:03 am
  

  Wala paring update? I wonder why.

• japeekoi     +0
  Thursday, 8 May 2008 at 9:13 pm
  

  hey anu na alita papalit ba talaga ang lyceum
  i hope lyceumang puimasok as replacement// kasi nakita ko inaaus ng mabutii at pinapaganda ang lyceumngayon at saka nag hire sila ng magaling na coach in basketball at tumaas ang tuition at miscellanious nila

• Drew     +0
  Wednesday, 28 May 2008 at 4:16 pm
  

  bakit po, sa lyceum na ba mag lalaro ang NCAA pag napasok sila?

• The Dont Mind     +0
  Saturday, 31 May 2008 at 2:58 pm
  

  Any news on this?

• yellow_we     +0
  Sunday, 1 June 2008 at 5:43 am
  

  for what I read in a newspaper, the board gave PCU the go signal to participate again for the upcoming season BUT only in SENIORS division. Also, it has been reported that PCU voluntarily announced their leave of absence for next year.

• proud to be dolphins     +0
  Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 9:21 am
  

  well dapat bumalik ang pcu no we don’t want lose our alma matter in ncaa patayan na 2 kapag nawala ang pcu sa ncaa dahil kami lang ang bumubuhay ng rivarly

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